Lisa Poole: We are here to talk about the attuned neurodiversity coach training course. And we want to tell you all about it. We are quite unique. And so we wanna be able to share that with you ahead of our course starting, our next cohort starts in January. We have then got one in April.

So, as I’ve just said, we are recording the session and is only going as far as for the people that bought a ticket.

So who we are. My name’s Lisa. I call myself a neurodiversity coach that when I 1st started that wasn’t such a thing I started as a result of I was doing counselling. I was trained to be a counsellor, and that, and I always knew I wanted to counsel. Be a therapist for neurodivergent people myself and my partner are both neurodivergent, and I have an ADHD diagnosis and my partner, she has an autism and an ADHD diagnosis, and between us we have 5 neurodivergent children.

So it kind of grew from that the fact that we were living and breathing neurodiversity every day. And so I wanted to develop those strategies that we used, and be able to share them with other people. So I went into counselling. What I realised while counselling was that the way in which I was being taught to counsel people wasn’t really suitable in my eyes for neurodivergent people, you know, when you start asking how somebody’s feeling and being really, really client led in that when you’re neurodivergent it doesn’t always work. And sometimes we need a bit more of a direct approach.

So our directive approach. So I veered off into coaching and started my coaching practice, which I’ve been running now for 3 ish years, and my practice is always full and so and we’ll talk about how Emma and I met in a little while. But we both recognised this. The fact that we, what we were doing is working and got together to to create this training program to get more people doing what we do.

And so yeah, so that’s me.

Emma Whymark: Okay, thank you. So my name’s Emma. So my background was education. I taught for 25 years, mostly children with additional needs. Neurodivergent behavioural needs, mental health difficulties. I mainly taught teenagers that had been excluded from mainstream education. So some sort of really challenging youngsters but I loved it thrived on it. I was also an advisor for the local authority. So around behaviour, neurodivergence, all that kind of stuff, trained teachers in behaviour management, all that sort of thing at the same time had my own family and I have 2 sons now, adults, both of whom are neurodivergent, and when I was kind of approaching my 50th birthday.

I was laughing, so it was my midlife crisis, but I was kind of at the end of education. I didn’t like the way the system was going. There was lots about it I didn’t like, and I decided to retrain, so I retrained as a counsellor, and I did coach done some coach training earlier as well. So I had that, and and my husband and I actually became foster carers at the same time.

And I’ve been running my practice for 7 years now, and it’s been pretty much full from the beginning. I didn’t set out to specialise in neurodiversity. I’ll be honest. But it just because of my background, I guess, in education it sort of went that way and then during that time I’d had therapy.

You have to have a lot of therapy to become a to become a counsellor. And I had. I’d had issues, mental health, difficulties, anxiety, depression, various other things and there’d been traumatic experiences in my in my life, and that was what I put it down to. But, after all the therapy, certain bits didn’t go away and it finally dawned on me that maybe there was something else going on, and I was diagnosed with ADHD a couple of years ago. Now, combined type ADHD, I’m also hyperlexic, which is not known about particularly once I got my diagnosis. That was kind of how I got into meeting Lisa, but I’m jumping ahead to the next slide right.

So I got my diagnosis, and I knew at this point there was this thing called ADHD coaching, and I thought, Well, that’s interesting. I thought that may be something I could do, so I thought the best way to find out is to go find myself an ADHD coach, and then I found Lisa, who was a neurodiversity coach, and I thought, Well, that’s even more interesting.

So I found Lisa had some sessions, and it wasn’t many. Was it, Lisa, because we realised really, really quickly that actually, we, we aligned. We were on the same level, on so many different things. And then Lisa was in the process of setting up a community interest company. And I, it turned out I was doing the same. And we actually said, Shall we stop the coaching bit and actually start doing some work together.

So that was that was kind of the start of it, really. And I think we were both kind of quite relieved, weren’t we, that we could break that barrier and actually start start to do some stuff together?

So and out of that community interest company, and more and more shared interest as we realised what we actually did, we decided we were going to both do some proper ADHD coach training because we’ve got coaching qualifications, but general coaching qualifications. So we went off to do ADHD coach training.

And it wasn’t enough, and that was where the idea for ATTUNED came from.

So we thought, let’s find the neurodiversity coaching qualification because ADHD coaching isn’t enough.

And we scoured the net for a long time, didn’t we? Looking up at all sorts of options? And essentially the course that we wanted to do wasn’t there.

We found one, didn’t we, in States at the time, Lisa, and it had, and I’m not that I have anything against spiritual stuff far from it. But it was an odd course, and it that didn’t really align. And it didn’t feel robust enough. And we wanted something that was going to be really high quality, and we couldn’t find it.

So you take two women with ADHD and a passion for all things to do with neurodiverse, you know, neurodivergence, real special interest, territory. Add a bit of a sort of justice sensitivity. Classic ADHD, you know justice, sensitivity, because you know, this service needs to be out there and it. And it wasn’t. 

And that was the course which said, We can’t find it. We’re going to write our own.

So fast forward to or rewind, depending on, which angle you want to go to.

It was July 2024, and Lisa lives in Yorkshire. I live in Norfolk. So Lincoln seemed like a good halfway point, and we met and we had a weekend together. It was a 72 hour solid hyper focus. Wasn’t it fuelled by ADHD Meds and caffeine and Haribo, and all sorts of things? And we wrote the course.

That picture is, where is ATTUNED? Where it all came up? It’s all. We spent a lot of time, didn’t we, with post-it notes on walls and coming up with stuff, and that was where the ATTUNED coaching model was was born.

So what is it? So it’s a neurodiversity coaching qualification. We believe it’s the 1st of its kind in the UK. We haven’t found anything similar.

The level of which we’ve written now is, there are courses now popping up ADHD coaching courses sort of a neurodiversity coaching courses at like £29, and we have huge reservations about that.

Even some of the more expensive ones. They are CPD accredited only and some of them are really quite expensive, aren’t they? For for what? For what they are? But there is nothing at the academic level of our qualification that we are aware of.

So we’ve gone with an organisation called the Association of Coaching, and we’ll talk about why we’ve gone with them in a bit.

Lisa Poole: So we want to just explain a little bit about ATTUNED to you. Which so ATTUNED is obviously is the name of the company. It’s the name of the course, but it’s more than that. It’s this, our coaching model. We created a way in which we train our coaches to work with clients using this model. And the way the what the purpose of this model is is to make it neuro-affirming.

So there’s lots of different coaching models that that you you broach in coaching. And because we’re with the Association for Coaching we have to do. We have to follow their framework. That’s very important for safety. And to make sure that we’re working ethically. And we use the coaching approaches that the Association for Coaching teach us to use.

And they’re great. They’re fine, but they’re not neuro-affirming. So that is the what makes us different. We make sure that those coaching approaches are neuro-affirming, and we use ATTUNED, which is our model, whole new coaching model.

So some, we’re just going to go through some of the the points, some of the the key elements of that.

And this model is at the minute we’re obviously focusing on coaching. But this model. The plan is that we take that into parenting. So parenting courses that are not just, you know. Extra. Reduce your screen time and and get your kids to bed on time. None of that actual parenting courses to help educate about neurodiversity for what’s actually useful in education to support teachers and teaching staff to support neurodivergent individuals. Coaching is obviously what we’re focusing on 1st and foremost.

Taking this into the workplace to help employers and support staff work with neurodivergent employees.

And then it’s health where we want to help to support medical practitioners, to understand neurodiversity better in practice.

Emma Whymark: It’s interesting, isn’t it, Lisa? Our 1st cohort of students, the ones we’re working with right now. We’ve got 2 doctors and 2 nurses on that course. For exactly that reason. There’s that recognition that that you know they need to work differently within your speciality.

Lisa Poole: I’m learning a lot, as they will tell you.

Emma Whymark: Absolutely.

Lisa Poole: Yeah, and and social care as well under health as well. So because ATTUNED was created by us, and it’s it’s our baby. It’s our, it’s work. We’re really quite protective of it. Part of signing up for the coaching course involves writing, signing sorry something called an NDA, a non-disclosure agreement.

Basically, that just means that the the coaching approach and the teaching materials – the way in which we coach the way in which we train you to coach clients is ours and protected under our registered trademark. It’s not. It’s it’s all registered now.

And so we ask for an NDA. So it’s just making you aware of the fact that that’s that we we do that just so that we don’t have our materials replicated because we are very protective of it.

It’s the ethos of ATTUNED it’s a neuro-affirming approach for our neurodivergent clients centered on collaboration, respect and the recognition of each individual’s unique strengths and perspectives.

Emma Whymark: Okay. So the philosophy behind that is very much the view that neurodivergence is natural and is just a valuable part of human diversity. And we very much take the view that you know, that deserves affirmation, and it doesn’t deserve to be pathologised, as it so often is, particularly in the sort of medical sphere.

Lisa Poole: The core tenant of a tune is the is real emphasis on collaborative working relationship with the coaching client. So together we train our coaches to create to co-create that coaching journey with the client, understanding the client’s lived, experience their personal insights, and really tailoring it to each individual client rather than a set, a set rigidity of of what we can say and can’t say, and and how we need to do it. We we keep everything very very ethical and very

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Lisa Poole: very productive. But we we have to be collaborative with our clients and how they present, and that’s and that’s how we work. That’s how we train our coaches to work.

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Emma Whymark: It’s certainly not formulaic. Is it? Okay? So the approach

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Emma Whymark: in order to do that, we we really prioritize experiential learning. So we actively and encourage our clients to go out to engage in. You know, real life experience to do kind of experimentation around stuff.

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Emma Whymark: and that enables them to explore various strategies and approaches to reflect on that, and then adapt and tweak, you know, accordingly, accordingly. And we, you know, we believe that that experience is really meaningful, and that helps to foster genuine change through that lived experience rather than just theoretical discussion.

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Lisa Poole: It’s built on a foundation of mutual trust and respect. So we empower clients to really take ownership of that journey and celebrate their neurodivergent identities. And really, empowerment is the key word. There, it’s really about helping that person understand what it is that they need to do in order to do the things that they want to do, or indeed need to do. But it’s all all client led in that way.

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Lisa Poole: So the purpose of having the qualification.

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Lisa Poole: oops go back really important for a number of reasons. One we needed. We wanted to have a framework to work from. As Emma said, we did do, an accredited Adhd coaching course with the Association for Coaching, and it was great the fact that it followed the framework of the Association for Coaching was amazing, because it keeps things safe and ethical.

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Lisa Poole: But all the other ones loads of the ones that I looked at weren’t so great. Some of the questions I asked around safeguarding and things because the other courses that that I certainly looked at were all Cpd accredited. There was no requirement for the for those safety elements or those. The method in which you work with clients was just not necessarily there.

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Lisa Poole: So we wanted something that was really

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Lisa Poole: really solid in how you work with clients to cover you for every eventuality to really give those skills. And that’s why we thought. We go with the Association for Coaching, which is the biggest, if not the biggest, one of the biggest coaching

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Lisa Poole: governing bodies in the UK.

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Lisa Poole: And so it was really important for us to to go for the highest, because we thought that that

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Lisa Poole: just helps us train the best that we can train, and also gives the coaches the security of knowing that they’re getting a really good quality qualification.

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Lisa Poole: and we also have done it to future proof. The qualification at the minute. Coaching is unregulated.

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Lisa Poole: and counselling is not counselling. You have to have a certain level of of qualification in order to practice, but at the minute you can wake up tomorrow and call yourself a coach, and nobody would stop you.

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Lisa Poole: We don’t think that’s particularly ethical, and I think that it will catch up very soon. I think that there will have to be something brought in, because it’s not entirely safe to just allow anyone to call themselves a coach and to be responsible for working with vulnerable people. So we wanted to make sure that we had the qualification that proved that our coaches

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Lisa Poole: can do that safely.

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Lisa Poole: So that was very important to us.

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Lisa Poole: And I’ve and I’ve talked about why, the Association for coaching it is the biggest association the governing body for the Uk. For coaching next year. We look maybe next year, if we’ve recovered from the application process for this one that was lengthy and we might look at international accreditation. But we need a break first.st

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Emma Whymark: It’s interesting. I spoke to somebody last week. I don’t know if people are aware the government have a big working party thing going on at the moment looking at Adhd. Because obviously, you know, the massive increase in numbers and demand and and everything that’s going on. And the chap that I was talking to is

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Emma Whymark: feeding into that exactly about. You know our concerns about coaching as an industry. I mean, we have concerns, anyway, across the board, but particularly for some of our neurodivergent clients that they’re quite. But you know, there’s more vulnerability

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Emma Whymark: sometimes, and we’ve been feeding in. You know that there needs to be more regulation around this whole area. So by by doing what we’ve done, as Lisa said, we’re trying to future proof ourselves somewhat.

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Lisa Poole: So there’s the the website. If you want to have a little look at the Association for coaching to see what the that accreditation on what the the governing body is all about, and if you’re not already familiar with it.

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Emma Whymark: Okay.

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Emma Whymark: so why did we go for a certificate level course? I always call this the Goldilocks slide. There are 3 levels in coaching. There’s award level, the certificate level, and then you’ve got diploma level now the the Adhd qualification that Lisa and I did, and it was a great course. But it was award level, and

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Emma Whymark: Lisa and I felt we needed more detail. There was there was more to go into. So then we thought, Okay, well, then, we’re going to be writing something that certificate or diploma. And

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Emma Whymark: again, we

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Emma Whymark: in many ways. I think we’d have quite like to have gone for diploma level because of the level of detail that we think people need and and and should have but to do that, the amount of delivery time that was involved and the cost.

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Emma Whymark: We would then have to charge people to do that.

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Emma Whymark: We decided to come back down to certificate level because

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Emma Whymark: it was it was okay, wasn’t it? We could. That gave us enough time to get in what what we think people really need to know. But we’ll talk about ongoing accreditation and things after we’ve done the course later on. The certificate was the good kind of happy medium for us, wasn’t it?

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Lisa Poole: Yeah.

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Emma Whymark: Okay? So in order to get the certificate, this is what we have to do. We have to provide you with 60 h of live taught study. Now we’ve made the decision to do that via Zoom, because we want to open up the course to as many people as possible, and geographically, we live. We live a couple of 100 miles apart. So that would have been tricky. Right? So Zoom was, was the obvious, the obvious way to go. So you have 60 h of teaching.

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Emma Whymark: You then have to evidence 40 h of self study.

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Emma Whymark: Okay.

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Emma Whymark: then. And there’s there’s various ways we deliver that or get you to do that, and we can talk about that a bit more later on. You then have to evidence 30 h of coaching practice.

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Emma Whymark: Some of that will be done with clients that you find, or we help you find or provide you with this. There’s various options for that. Some of that will be done during that 60 h we have you working groups. We’ll talk about what cynical triads, and we’ll talk about that in a little while. So that’s the 30 h coaching practice.

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Emma Whymark: and that bit has to be evidenced and assessed particularly because that’s where you show your your coaching skills, and we’ll talk about that in a bit as well in terms of academic rigor.

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Emma Whymark: And it’s been a hard. It’s been a bit of a slog with with the A/C and other coaching bodies to get this. But our understanding is that it’s equivalent. If, in terms of the national qualifications, framework, a certificate level course is about the equivalent of a level 5. They won’t actually out and out state that they can’t. And in part that’s to do with the fact that coaching qualifications are very skills led as opposed to knowledge and sort of academic rigor based.

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Emma Whymark: But if you actually look at what you need to get to achieve a level 5 qualification. And what you have to get for the certificate, there’s quite a bit of parity. So that’s where we think it is academically

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Emma Whymark: about about Level 5.

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Lisa Poole: So the outline of the course we take you through quite a lot in the time that we work with you over the the course of the 60 h. Well, and then the 40 h self study

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Lisa Poole: the following areas that we go into. So

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Lisa Poole: we look at what neurodiversity coaching actually is the intersectionality of neurodiversity. So

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Lisa Poole: not just as we’ve kind of. We’ve talked about Adhd coaching.

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Lisa Poole: That’s fine. But a lot of the time there are co-occurring conditions, particularly if you’re looking at a dual diagnosis between autism and Adhd dual neurology. So there’s there’s lots there. There’s lots of intersection there as to how somebody might present because they’re not

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Lisa Poole: Adhd. Strategies might not, might not actually do do the job because you’ve got another element of that person’s neurology there from from them, being also autistic. And so there’s a huge kind of conflict there. As to how, then you support that person and doing just one

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Lisa Poole: one set of strategies is not necessarily going to work. So we need to look at all of that intersectionality between the neurodivergent profiles.

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Lisa Poole: We look at how trauma

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Lisa Poole: works alongside neurodiversity, how? How we process trauma differently and how we likely have. There’s a lot of people have experienced trauma just by the fact of being neurodivergent, and how we work with that going forward.

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Lisa Poole: And we look at the different competencies and contracting that that a coach needs to do with their client in order to to keep that safe and to keep.

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Lisa Poole: and that you on track with with working with working together.

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Lisa Poole: And we’ll look at the differences of neurodiversity and emotion. How those 2 things play out, how they work together.

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Lisa Poole: and we look at the difference of the different kinds of questioning in coaching

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Lisa Poole: that we, that we might have to adapt to work with neurodivergent clients.

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Lisa Poole: And we talked earlier about the fact that there are coaching models within the the Association for Coaching Framework.

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Lisa Poole: that that are already there, that we do study as part of this course. So we look at something called grow, which is goal setting.

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Lisa Poole: We look at cognitive, cognitive behavioral coaching.

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Lisa Poole: And we look at solution, focused coaching. Those are 3

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Lisa Poole: areas, 3 models that are used at the moment in all sorts of types of coaching life, coaching

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Lisa Poole: workplace, coaching, executive function, coaching.

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Lisa Poole: business, coaching, all of they’re they’re there throughout the coaching profession.

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Lisa Poole: They’re all great. They’re all fine. They all do good work.

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Lisa Poole: but they’re not in your affirmative. They they.

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Lisa Poole: They require you either to have cognitive ability to change the way you do things, or think, or they have, or they require you to to actively adapt

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Lisa Poole: you as a person in order to to to move forward. And we don’t believe that that is

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Lisa Poole: either doable or right. When you’re working with a neurodivergent person, we want to work with a neurodivergent person’s neurology with their brain instead of against it, because we believe that that’s what works.

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Lisa Poole: And and so, therefore, we made it tuned.

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Lisa Poole: And so we teach those coaching models.

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Lisa Poole: But we also, we add, in the addition of attuned, to make sure that they are being delivered in a new affirmative way.

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Lisa Poole: We look at the strengths and the barriers of neurodivergent profiles.

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Lisa Poole: We look at how we set structure sessions.

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Lisa Poole: we look at the mental health

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Lisa Poole: and neurodiversity, and how those things often collide, or often are misdiagnosed, or the result in missed diagnosis. And we look at the law and the neurodiversity and governance. What clients might be entitled to, or where they might go for support, and all of those things, and where they stand in terms of law.

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Lisa Poole: And then we also look at business development and the practicalities of doing all of this as a business.

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Lisa Poole: So it’s not just the case of we give you the information and say, Off you go now

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Lisa Poole: make most of it. No, we want to make sure that if you choose to do this as a business, you have the the skills needed in order to do that, just like Emma and I have done.

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Lisa Poole: Some people choose to do that, choose to do this through their existing employer or their existing job. Where they add this this on as part of that role. Absolutely fine, it all applies.

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Lisa Poole: But that last bit is for if you want to use these skills within your own company

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Lisa Poole: as a coach, and that we we teach the basics of how to do that.

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Emma Whymark: Okay. So one of a little chat about the study methods, as we said, the courses online, although our 1st cohort planning it, talking about an in person meet up, aren’t we? That because, you know, they they want to do that. So we may well sort of find some way to facilitate that. But obviously it is online only for the reasons we talked about earlier.

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Emma Whymark: We start.

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Emma Whymark: And it’s

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Emma Whymark: it’s not something we have to do for the association coaching. It’s something we decided that we wanted to do for our coaches. We actually start with 2 introductory Cpd units, and we do a real deep dive into autism and into Adhd, because they’re the conditions that we are like, you know, we’re going to come across most often.

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Emma Whymark: So that 1st part of the course we do the attuned understanding of autism and attuned understanding of Adhd. And that takes

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Emma Whymark: talking about the impact of that on coaching right from the get go. We’re talking about how that might look in a coaching session, and how you might how you might cope with that. So there is that coaching angle from the very beginning. And Lisa and I, we talk an awful lot about the route of the behaviors and the issues that we come across. And that’s what this Cpd is really all about, so that you really understand the root of why your clients present

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Lisa Poole: everyone has done the Cpd everyone has got that knowledge. So that then when we start talking in the coaching about why a strategy works or how we use it. Everyone knows why it works, because we’ve already done that, but we’ve not had to bog down the coaching, the practical training on how to be a coach with

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Lisa Poole: And so we’ve got all of these Cpd modules that are optional. They will be either, you know. Some might be a 2 h course. Some might be an 8 week course. Sensory’s 8 weeks, for example, 2 h, sessions over 8 weeks.

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Lisa Poole: The 4 ds. Dyslexia, dyspraxia, dysgraphia, and dyscalculia. Emma, that’s your.

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Emma Whymark: What have I done today? I spent ages in the garden, actually running around playing football with somebody in the garden today, and then we came in and played exploding kittens.

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Lisa Poole: and and they’ll and they’ll also all be accredited as Cpd, so we offer those, because that’s that continual professional development that we want to give a real

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Lisa Poole: They last for 4 h over 17 weeks. That’s not including those Cpd sessions those 7 weeks. So 7 weeks of Cpd.

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Lisa Poole: So we have to tell you a little bit about some of the ways in which we teach. So just so that you’ve kind of. Got a full picture, and you’re going into it with complete transparency

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Lisa Poole: and triads is something that not everyone necessarily enjoys straight away. And that’s okay. It’s not the most comfortable thing when you’re with new people. However, as you get to know people, 17 weeks is quite a long time to work with people, and actually it becomes really quite familiar and quite, quite nice by the end of it. And you get some free coaching out of it.

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Emma Whymark: Assessment. That’s right. Because we are about being neuro affirming we wanted to really be flexible with how we assess you on this course, and we had a lot of conversations with the A/C. The association for coaching around this, and I have to say they were really really good. We thought we might have had a bit more of a battle, but I think we kind of hit them just at the right point on their journey, too. So 1st off, there are absolutely no exams.

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Emma Whymark: the the stuff that you have to provide evidence on. That’s the bit where we’ve been able to get really flexible. So you know, I’m as an ex English. I’m an ex English teacher. I’m happy to write everything up. Obviously not everybody is so. You know. Your evidence can be recorded. It could be audio. It could be video. It could even be a conversation with us where we where we talk it through.

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Lisa Poole: Counselling is very much that you can go into the past, into past traumas, into. You know how we get to where we are today, and and all of that stuff and attachment, and all of the quite difficult topics that can come up

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Lisa Poole: support that client in the moment to signpost them where they need to go, to keep that client safe and to keep yourself safe. So the Association for Coaching Framework allows us that ability to to talk about that safeguarding, to, to really give you the skills as to manage those situations. For when that happens, because we are, that is not within the coaching remit.

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Emma Whymark: you know, not everybody would want to do that. We appreciate that. But you know a lot of people do. That’s that’s why they’ve come into it. They they want to have that freedom and flexibility to be their own boss, and you know Lisa and I have both, you know, started from scratch and built up really successful practices. So you know we have. We have lived experiences that as well as some of the sort of you know theoretical knowledge around that. So we absolutely teach that the basics of running a coaching business.

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Emma Whymark: And you know, work. Lisa tends to work more remotely. I actually work from this office, and you know. So I have. We’ll talk about things like loan working, for example. So how you protect your own? Well being in that in that kind of regard.

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Emma Whymark: the ethical practice we’re really really hot on that. That was one of the reasons we went through for the association of coaching the law things like insurance things like, I don’t know Gdpr and and the galaties around data. And then we talk about the practicalities of getting yourself known. So things like networking and promotion and advertising.

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Lisa Poole: literally saved lives is a phenomenal career to be in, and very, very rewarding. Obviously we all have to pay bills, and we all want to, you know, live comfortably, and it’s, you know, the the level of knowledge and things. You know. We do

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Emma Whymark: our course is accredited. Okay, that means that’s the course accreditation. That means we had to hit a load of criteria, and the Association for Coaching, had to look at the course and say, Yeah, okay, that hits the standards for certificate level. In our case it also involved a 500 page document that we had to write, which is a whole other story. There were blood, sweat, and tears.

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Emma Whymark: but that’s how we got the course accredited.

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Emma Whymark: You will also read on the website about coach accreditation. Now.

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Emma Whymark: once you have passed our course, you are a qualified coach, you are absolutely, you know, ready to go out there and practice. Yep.

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Emma Whymark: you can also a lot after you’ve done the course. Go for something called coach accreditation, but it is absolutely not necessary. A lot of coaches don’t bother, some do, some don’t.

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Emma Whymark: And what coach accreditation does is evidence. The fact that you’ve done so many hours of coaching and so much cpt. So there are levels like, you know, you become a coach. But you can become a master coach, or I don’t know. There’s all these different titles

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Emma Whymark: entirely up to you.

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Emma Whymark: but you are absolutely qualified, at the end of the course, to go practice all right. A lot of people, if they do go to coach accreditation. It’s kind of a Cpd thing for them. That’s why they choose to. Because a lot of us. Let’s be honest. You know we love learning. So we want to keep doing that. So they choose to go that route. I’m doing that. But you absolutely don’t have to. But that’s the difference.

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Lisa Poole: You’re doing. You’re doing that. And I’m not. So that’s a good example.

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Emma Whymark: Exactly just just because I feel like it. But you know. But but coach accreditation is 100% optional.

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Lisa Poole: So investment oops. I’ve got to put piggy up investment in the course, the the cost of the course.

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Lisa Poole: and that we’ve that we’re delivering in

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Lisa Poole: the full. The option in full is 3,200 pounds. We have an instalment options. I think that’s quite that’s changed. Now. I think there’s more installments. It’s broken down.

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Emma Whymark: Yeah, it is when the price, when the process of having our website all redeveloped and done, and we’re sticking in some payment links. So there will be, there’ll be actually slightly more installments of lower amounts, but it will still come up to 3,005.

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Lisa Poole: Yeah. Still, it’s still the same amount. But it’s yeah broken down a bit more. That includes. So though, that includes the those 7 weeks. To begin with, the attuned understanding of autism.

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Lisa Poole: That’s 16 h in total over 4 sessions.

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Lisa Poole: that is 12 h of attuned understanding of Adhd.

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Lisa Poole: So over 3 sessions.

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Lisa Poole: We’ve got a sensory module in the middle of them that we bridge it together.

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Lisa Poole: But then, then, that includes your your accredited certificate in your diversity coaching that 4 months, 17 weeks of

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Lisa Poole: of coach training.

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Lisa Poole: and it also includes 2 h of one to one supervision with us throughout the throughout the duration of the course. So that’s all included in that. There’s not extras. The Cpd. That we mentioned. Optional extras later in the year is by no means necessary.

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Lisa Poole: Everything that you need is in that pull. That package.

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Emma Whymark: Other bit that’s not on there is that we’re running with a learning platform called Heartbeat.

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Emma Whymark: And that’s been really, really successful, hasn’t it? So it’s a little bit like, almost like a social media platform. But all the recordings of the sessions are in there. There’s various resources.

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Emma Whymark: There’s options to talk to, and you know, threads and posts and things, and and you know our current cohort are really starting to engage with that. There are conversations going on. There’s even little voice rooms. There’s all sorts going on in there, and Lisa and I are checking in on that daily and answering questions and and helping. So it’s ongoing support throughout the course as well.

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Lisa Poole: And then afterwards as well, Emma, because everyone, that network of attuned coaches is what we’re really trying to grow here. So there’ll be access to that. The the other people that have done the program and help with that with development and peer support and all of that stuff.

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Emma Whymark: We’re developing video banks, resource banks, all sorts of things to support.

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Lisa Poole: Don’t worry.

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Emma Whymark: Yeah, absolutely. The plan is to have a conference at some point. But you know we we are. We are, you know. You’re, you know if you’re in on this, then you’ll be in our second cohort. So it is early days.

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Lisa Poole: So when do we begin?

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Emma Whymark: Okay.

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Lisa Poole: As you are.

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Emma Whymark: It is so. The current plan is that we will start on Tuesday, the 21st of January. This will be our second cohort.

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Emma Whymark: This course this group will be working from 5 till 9 PM.

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Emma Whymark: Okay, and the 7 weekly sessions of 4 h to do the Adhd autism, and then the 17 sessions of of the coaching course. So Tuesday evenings 5 till 9.

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Emma Whymark: The plan for the next one, which will probably be around April. That one is probably going to be a Saturday morning, but we’re not 100% sure on that. We’re waiting on a few bits and bobs

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Emma Whymark: current ones on a Monday morning, isn’t it? We just we’re trying to rotate the times and days, obviously to try and sort of, you know.

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Emma Whymark: help sort of different people access it.

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Lisa Poole: So the next steps, if you were interested.

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Lisa Poole: Wait, do we still do this, or we do we do it through the website? I’m not sure now.

Emma Whymark: Right? Well, it was a contact form, wasn’t it? And that contact form is still available, and we’ll stick the link in. But you can. Also, if you want to go to our website and register as well there or email us.

Emma Whymark: we’ll put all of that in the chat. And again, let us know, even if you know, if you, if you don’t want to be doing the January one, you think it might be later, you know, next year. Then let us have your details, and we can keep you up to date with new courses.

Lisa Poole: Yeah, absolutely and then and that leads us to questions. We’ll put that information in the, I’m just gonna stop the recording